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  1. 4 hours ago, Ava Lacey said:

    Maybe I just like this because I’ve always liked when they did this is LOTR.

    I also liked this aspect of the Klingon language appearing so much in the show. Star Trek and LOTR are very unique in that kind of world-building, and even if some may complain that having it being there so explicitly for so many scenes is just a strategy to appear clever (because I've found that complaint for some reason?), I believe it adds to that richness and that they should actually exploit it. Back when I was deciding which of the main three Elf languages that Tolkien invented to learn, I researched about fictional languages in media, and I was surprised how few actually have a made-up-start-from-scratch one, and not combinations from existing ones and then encoded to sound unrecognisable.

    Basically, I'm glad they didn't skip over their own mine of gold. TEN POINTS TO DISCOVERY! 

     

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  2. 9 hours ago, FltAdml. Wolf said:

    I love this question because, to me, it really underpins the whole reason that Star Trek is utopian in the first place. It's not Starfleet that makes this vision of the future compelling, it's the economics, which influence everything else. 

    It's strange to think that such a basic aspect of the Federation affects everything else we see in Star Trek and yet it's something not many people understand and are confused by. 

    10 hours ago, FltAdml. Wolf said:

    The point is, there are lots of motivations we can't understand from where we are right now because we're enclosed in a system that creates perverse incentives. But things are so entirely shifted by the lack of want for anything, it will totally reconfigure our outlook on what's worthwhile and what's not. The simple fact of having – let's say, for the sake of what we know of Star Trek life spans? – 120 years of healthy life to "fill up" with something will give everyone a sense that there's plenty of time to get to all the things you want to do, and there's no reason to work yourself to death early in life or spend all that time doing one single thing. Why be a doctor for 80 years when you can be a waiter, a doctor, a librarian, an artist... ?

    So many fun things to imagine :) Thanks for bringing this up!

    It's really a utopian society isn't it? I also began to wonder that for example, it's really common for people before going to university to want being something that is in their heart's desire but end up studying something much more economically convenient because what they want doesn't matter unless they want to starve. And it really is unfair, because if you're not developing your skills as much as you can and fulfil your goals, what is there to live for?

    It's also mentioned many times that we are capable to change our system into something similar to Star Trek, but I don't think humanity as it is has the mindset for it. We have the resources, we have the power to change, but I don't personally believe the change would be smooth at all even if it happened, which I also highly doubt. If it ever is attempted, it will probably crumble in the first few years.

    Or maybe not? I mean if communism is a thing after so many years even if it's proven to be ineffective and highly damaging to a society, who's to say a system like the Federation's won't be attempted, fail to stand for a few years, and then prove to be good for everyone? Will globalisation poison a nation with said system or will its development with proto-post scarcity need to be parallel to every nation in the world? Maybe it's not necessary. Maybe it's like the Federation isn't "poisoned" by the Ferengi, for example. They're just used to different things. Maybe there is hope for humanity yet. 

    5 hours ago, Valin Dermont said:

    Totally separate fact...I am very glad that this subject was brought up.  A large piece of my character's backstory is the fact that he owes a large sum of latinum to a Ferengi lender for a loan from his pre-Starfleet days.

    And actually, part of the reason I've been thinking about this subject is precisely the issues Dermont is having with money. Since I was under the assumption that the Federation was sort of a communist-capitalist society in which money doesn't exist but you still have free will to choose your career paths and such, I was slightly confused by your character arc, but dismissed my questions for some time believing that I really didn't comprehend anything about economy in Star Trek and everyone was informed on the subject. I'm glad to see there is actually quite a big explanation for my questions, because it really is much more complex than I originally thought. 


  3. 45 minutes ago, Roshanara Rahman said:

    Likewise, say you want to see the stars and travel in class aboard a Galaxy class starship. What if you don’t want to go to (or can’t get into) Starfleet Academy and you don’t want to enlist? Joining for a tour or two as a civilian bartender or waiter in Ten Forward doesn’t seem like such a bad gig then. Work a few shifts and then enjoy the rest of your time aboard the Enterprise! I’m sure there are plenty of us who would sign up to pour Picard’s drinks.

    And I hadn't thought of that, actually. It does make sense for some people to do that, and yeah there are plenty of people in the Federation. And if their ideals are those of free determination and self-improvement, which would be the necessary incentive for people to learn and do things with their own lives instead of expecting any other reward. Makes sense, while it also ensures there is no corruption or theft because there is not even a need for it. Win-win situations are always the best.

    Again thanks for the answer! It sure got me thinking, while it also made me a little better how to handle things from now on. Very insightful.


  4. 56 minutes ago, Roshanara Rahman said:

    One of my favorite articles about this subject that we actually ended up sharing a link to on the 118 Facebook page:

    https://medium.com/@RickWebb/the-economics-of-star-trek-29bab88d50

    Pretty deep on the analysis of the subject. I think I have a much better view of how this works now. We really only see capitalism against communism in the world, and since I'm not really knowledgeable about economics at all, it was specially informative. Thank you so much for sharing that, I think I'll use it for reference throughout my entire life :) 


  5. So it's been mentioned quite a lot in Star Trek media that by the time of the 22nd century, human kind no longer uses currency at all. It's a perfect society where hunger, need for acquisition and disease have been eradicated. 

    It's strange. We don't know what it's like to live in a society like that. We want to eat? We pay. We want go on vacation? We pay. The system may make many people corrupt and so but it works to be just in what you receive.

    But if we try to imagine it... If you were in the Federation you go to a restaurant and what? You leave without giving anything? Why would people even want to work? I mean for example those waiters in the restaurant... were they born wishing to be waiters? I doubt it, but then what's the incentive? 

    I'm not complaining about the system at all, but it does seem a bit unrealistic. I realise Star Trek is this perfect utopia where people dance in rainbows, but using in-universe reasons, what's the logic behind it? 

    I recently found myself simming in a situation where in this century you would normally pay but supposedly in the 24th you wouldn't, and I didn't know what was the correct way to proceed. Any insight on this is appreciated. 


  6. On 28/2/2018 at 6:42 PM, Evan Delano said:

    I'd have the same attitude that I had watching the recent reboot movies. I wouldn't be super excited, but I'd still probably go see it. No matter how bad it was, Insurrection and The Final Frontier would (probably) still be worse.

    I think this is basically my attitude toward the whole thing. And I haven't personally seen anything from Tarantino, so I can't give my opinions on him, but if you asked me if I would want another reboot I would say no thanks. We don't need another flashy star trek film. But still, I'll just hope for the best. 

     

    10 minutes ago, Hannibal Parker said:

    Quentin does have his own style, but it should be interesting as to what he is going to come up with. At the end of the day, if Star Trek had not been done for the first time in 1965 and was starting out for the first time, most likely it would be sexier, grittier, more gruesome. It's all about the eyes on the product, with Rodenberrys' vision second.

    I agree with this as well, but I don't want just another senseless sci-fi film with no meaning and only becomes popular because of its violence like it's trending these days. If however, those elements you mention can be added without losing Roddenberry's vision, I would find the balance very appealing (like Discovery is trying to find its footing with this balance), but since it's very difficult to nail that, I don't think I would like the end result of the attempt. I don't even know if they intend to try and nail it from the start, and that's my main concern.  


  7. 5 hours ago, Gogigobo Fairhug said:

    I have to say, as Discovery went on I began to just accept it for what it was. It did take a few episodes, but I got used to it.

    The Klingon thing still annoys me though. 🤣

    As I said, loved that they explored Klingon culture more and the season finale was great, as you say Sotak.

    I also liked the fact that they weren't afraid to make big decisions and kill off big characters. The whole Lorca twist was fantastic!

    Very much looking forward to seeing Captain Pike! Does anyone know when season 2 is due to air?

    I know, the Klingons are simply unforgivable, but it's really not that important to the plot, so you manage. 

    And short answer to your question is that there is no release date yet, but I found a very interesting article regarding Discovery's season 2, if you'd like to read it. 

    http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/star-trek-discovery/feature/a843066/star-trek-discovery-season-2-release-date-cast-episodes-klingon-theory/

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  8. 7 minutes ago, Oddas Aria said:

    I don't disagree, but I do think it was an interesting choice for a pilot (The Cage) for your Captain to be all bored with space travel and thinking about giving it up .... :)

    Now that you say it, I guess it doesn't make much sense. But at the time I was just focused on how much I'd loved how he viwed his situation, his respect for Vina, and how his conflicts were laid out, tired of space or not. I guess it was even a part of said conflicts, how he realised that an ordinary life wasn't in fact for him. 

    I wasn't complaining about Kirk or the rest of TOS at all, but I do have a certain special appreciation for Pike, even if it's not completely logical. I hope DSC makes a great Captain Pike :) 


  9. 12 minutes ago, Oddas Aria said:

    I liked DSC and can't wait for the second season (they just cast Captain Pike if you haven't heard http://www.startrek.com/article/meet-discoverys-captain-pike).

    I understand some of the grips in terms of look and feel, but honestly, I just couldn't get too worked up about it, it would have been too weird to see cardboard sets and things.  I think we probably have the same thoughts about that @Sotak

    I will say I wish they had kept the Klingon makeup 'TNG' style (for lack of a better description), but I can't say it detracted from my enjoyment of the show at all. 

     

    Yes, I read about that, and I was in fact going to mention the series finale and how much I loved it, but I didn't want to give too much away. But oh damn, am I excited. I can't wait for season 2. 

    Pike may have had only one episode in the prime timeline, but I have very fond memories from him. I remember watching The Cage without a clue of what to expect from Star Trek at all (I barely knew of Spock and Kirk's existance, I'm ashamed to say) and I was like "Oh, he's nice and respectful and the pilot has a very deep meaning, I can't wait to see more", and then Kirk showed up next episode and I was like "what? Where's Christipher Pike?" and wikipedia provided the answers I needed. It was disappointing to have him for only one episode, and I'm very thrilled to see him back. 


  10. 4 minutes ago, FltAdml. Wolf said:

    Did you try doing the form here on the forums? If so, sorry about that – the forums just pull in the news from the front page, but any forms embedded in posts won't work here. They'll only work on the front page of the site. Use this link: https://www.starbase118.net/2018/join-team-april-2018/  That's confusing! 

    Ohhh, that makes sense, sorry about the confusion. I'm headed there now, thanks. 

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  11. All of your points are actually mentioned a lot by people who've watched it, and they are all valid. I completely understand what you're getting at.

    The Klingons are very different, everybody noticed that, and as far as I know there is no in-universe reason for it. What I did like about the Klingons in Discovery is that they were fleshed out more than I'd seen regarding their houses and social structure, and the show addresses some very interesting themes (most notably xenophobia) which are affecting life today, something that Star Trek has been known to do continually through the years. It doesn't do it in its regular way, especially because Starfleet - our good guys - is not necessarily the only victim, but it does it. Some people like it and some people don't, and they are both entitled to their opinion. 

    Also, the feeling in itself is much darker than we're used to. Like I said, Starfleet is not necessarily the good guys anymore simply because they say so. (I'm not giving away any spoilers, as you've probably already noticed some aspects of what I am referring to). It was a twist of storytelling I particularly did like.

    And as for the futuristic stuff, yeah, I also frowned a lot (especially in the third episode) because I was wondering if they should have been able to do certain things at that specific time. I mean, I understand why it looks much more futuristic than TOS or "The Cage", because really I wouldn't want to see the same kind of sets and costumes and hairdos from the 60s so I get to feel like they really are linked together. No. So I get the look. But the content seemed to me to be a bit advanced, yes, but I eventually learned to get over it and just enjoy the show. 

    But overall I really did enjoy it a lot. I was really surprised about how deep into their characters they went, and I was glad. In my opinion, that was the best aspect of the show, their characters and their relationships and growth and how deep they went into their emotions. I also like the story arc, it did have me wondering what was going to happen next and hate having to wait a week to find out. 

    I hope that gives you some insight as to one person's opinions on the show, and I hope you continue to enjoy it. If you don't, then like I said, you're entitled to that, but I do think you should finish watching it. Good luck :) 

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  12. Sotak took her bag containing her few belongings as the voice from the shuttle's speakers spoke in Federation Standard to warn all passengers that they had reached their destination - Starbase 118. Just a few days ago she had left the Academy and was sent to this starbase for her final exam before actually graduating and getting an assignment on a star ship, as was every cadet's wish. Sotak had parted ways with the few beings with whom she had managed to create an interesting relationship. She did not regret this - change was necessary for every being in the universe, and she was not the exception. 

    She went to register with the administration so that she would have her quarters assigned, which she would share with another cadet for the time they stayed at the Starbase. Once she was given directions, she gave a slight nod to the man behind the desk in form of gratitude, and left toward her new room. 

    Sotak didn't have much to do once she arrived, as she hadn't brought many things with her to unpack, so she decided to take out the one book she had bought before coming to Starbase 118 and continued her reading sitting on the bed she had chosen.

    Submerged in her reading, Sotak did not notice a human female entering the room. Apparently, neither did the other being, as she simply left her bags on the floor near the entrance to their quarters and proceeded to sit beside them on the floor as she set her head in her hands and began to sob.

    Sotak was now not so unfamiliar to the way humans expressed their emotions; she had spent four years at the Academy in Terra and had learned quite a bit about human behaviour. However, whenever she had seen this specific display of emotion, she had to suppress the slight panic that rose from her side. She decided she could only ignore the girl for so long, and doing nothing would be seen as rude or as an act of intruding in the human's privacy. 

    She closed her book and set it beside her. She did not know the proper way to approach this, so she asked what she thought was best to make the girl open up about the problem and try to deal with it logically instead of submerging in her own despair.

    "Why do you cry?"

    The girl jumped notoriously and raised her head to meet Sotak's eyes. She seemed surprised but not offended. She tried a small smile and replied:

    "It's nothing. Sorry to disturb you, I... I-I know I..."

    Sotak waited for her to finish the sentence, but when she never did, she continued to push her.

    "It's clearly not 'nothing', or the symptoms you are displaying would not be present."

    The girl met her eyes again. "What are you, a doctor?"

    "That is not my area of expertise, no. However, I do believe your current state could be fixed by talking about what is troubling you. If you wish to discuss it with someone, I am currently unoccupied and willing to listen, and therefore the most logical choice for you."

    The girl's smile disappeared when she finally said, "My mum called me as we left the shuttle. She was never very happy with my decision to join Starfleet because she feared something awful would happen to me in space, as stupid as that sounds coming from someone living in this century. So when I  arrived here with my first assignment coming nearer, she completely lost it. She... you know what? It doesn't matter. I... I'd rather have it this way. At least she will no longer yell at me whenever I talk to her."

    Sotak instantly assumed what had happened even if the girl was unwilling to share the full details.

    "I'm sorry."

    The other girl wiped her nose and let a laugh loose. "I didn't realise Vulcans could feel grief or regret."

    Slightly smiling (in a way that was imperceptible to most beings), Sotak replied with, "Just because we don't let those emotions cloud our judgement it doesn't mean we are heartless. Humans simply like to pretend that we are because it is part of an easier view of reality."

    "Maybe." The girl sat in her spot for a few more seconds staring at the opposite wall of the room until she suddenly turned to Sotak, who had in turn been staring at the other female in a curious manner as she studied her reactions. "Anyway, we didn't really get a formal introduction, did we? My name is Praria." She looked expectantly at Sotak for a long time, until she realised the implied meaning of her words had not reached the Vulcan. "And... yours is...?"

    "Sotak," the Vulcan said shortly.

    "That's a... nice name."

    "It serves its purpose, if that's what you mean."

    Praria looked uncertain of how to continue for a while, but suddenly she stood from the floor and jumped to Sotak's side on the bed. "I'm sorry, but I haven't met many Vulcans before. Klingons? Sure, they're good company. Tellarites? Nice. But the few Vulcans I've met all have the same haircut and I was wondering why that is," she finished in a fast manner with a timid smile.

    Sotak resisted the urge of imitating the human expression of the eye-roll. She was not annoyed particularly, but a Vulcan's hair had been a famous topic of discussion in the Academy as well, and the human obsession with this certain fashion was beyond her.

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